The Amidah (also known as the shemoneh esrei) is the high point of the prayer services. This is the long, silent prayer where you see all the rocking. Except for the maariv service and any time there is not a minyan, the Amidah is repeated by the chazzan after (most of) the congregation has finished the silent version.
What people actually do: You can sit down if you finish early. Technically, you’re not supposed to, but people do all the time. Once the chazzan starts his repetition of the Amidah, stand again. You don’t have to do the three steps or bowing at any point during the repetition. Don’t let the chazzan confuse you: he may bend his knees and bow at every “Blessed are you…”
Tyi Baxter says
Thanks for this! It really could not have come at a better time…
Anna says
I love this blog! Especially now I have managed to actually read the correct year. One thing I have learnt recently to add to this is that if you haven't finished davening shemoneh esrei before the repetition, you are fine to carry on, but you have to pause during kedusha. You can't interrupt kedusha, but you also can't interrupt yourself if you haven't finished shemoneh esrei! So you should just bob along when everyone else does but not say anything. After kedusha you can resume shemoneh esrei and finish in your own time. Apparently there is also the opinion that if you KNOW you will not finish shemoneh esrei before the chazzan begins his repetition, you shouldn't start but just wait for the repetition and go along at the same time.
Another interesting point you have raised is the bending, bowing, straightening etc. I wonder how long it is before people feel comfortable doing this – I still feel so self-conscious and worried about people looking at me and thinking I am doing it wrong or how silly I look. I try and do just the minutest movements ie just taking three steps backwards with my toes in the privacy of my own shoes, but really that isn't good enough, I know. SIGH! I suppose the more routine it becomes the less you think about these things.
Thanks again for a great post!
Anonymous says
consider updating this w/ regards to Anna's comment. You missed one of the biggest halachos of the shemonah esray. That being the fact that if you aren't finished with your personal davening when the chazan begins the kedusha, you must pause and wait until he has finished ALL of kedushah. There are varying opinions as to whether you should recite kedusha if you havent finished your personal amidah, but you must pause. you should learn the halachos and fix your post as to not mislead people. "lifnei eever, lo titein michshol" vayikra 19:14
Jonathan P says
Skylar-
I just found your blog yesterday, and I've already bounced around and spent WAY more time than I should've reading various posts. You write very well and keep it interesting.
First let me point out that Anna and Anon are mostly right. The majority opinion is that you should stop wherever you are in your silent Amidah, listen to everything the Shaliach Tzibbur says for the Kedushah while saying nothing yourself, and then continue on your way once the Shatz says baruch atah Hashem, haKel hakadosh. You get bonus points if you stop at the end of a sentence and superduper bonus points if you stop between brachot.
BUT, there is a Gadol who disagrees with the above. The reason that do not answer during kedushah when you're still in the middle of your Shmona Esrei is because you do not want a Hefsek — a "break" (halachically) in your Amidah. It's the same reason that you do not talk between washing and hamotzi. BUT (there's that word again), The Rav (Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik) came along and looked at that reasoning with a kind of "huh?!" look on his face. His reasoning was something along the lines of "I'm talking to Hashem. Directly to Hashem. Of course I do not want to have a break in that conversation. But, if I stop to listen to Kedushah, um, I *AM* putting a break into the conversation!" Therefore, his opinion was that you should just continue through your davening while the rest of the kehillah says Kedushah. I'm not saying *YOU* should do that; just know it's an opinion — from a highly regarded gadol hador.
All that time, and I didn't even get to the topic I *wanted* to address from the beginning. My time to write has run out for now. I'll try to follow up later this evening with the anecdote I originally wanted to share.
CrazyJewishConvert says
Ugh, I meant to respond to that comment above and forgot about it. Thank you, Jonathan for that breakdown, it was very interesting! I had been taught the issue is as simple as the poster above you describes.
However. You both have to remember that I'm writing for a very specific audience. As I mentioned in the State of the Blog recently, I don't expect my readers to have any Hebrew knowledge, possibly not even the ability to read Hebrew. And even if you do read Hebrew, it is an entirely different thing to hear Hebrew and listen for specific words.
I did not mention not interrupting Kedusha because I don't believe a reader who needs the level of information I provided above will be able to tell when Kedusha begins. If they are new enough to shul to not understand the movements people are making, I don't expect them to be at the level of hearing kedusha. I hope that is a fair assessment. Even if they can read Hebrew, it is a horse of another color to continue davening while *also* listening for the chazzan's words that begin the Kedusha. All Hebrew likely blends together in their ears. I can hardly do that in English conversation, quite honestly.
Assuming they figure it out when they hear "Kadosh…," what they're really noticing is that everyone around them is bouncing up and down. They may not even know the word Kadosh at that point. More importantly, by the time they catch that, they've already interrupted the Kedusha by continuing to daven until that point. I guess if you want to look at it as a continuing transgression…
Would you suggest that the person stops their Amidah once the repetition begins and not continue until after all the bouncing has stopped? I think that's bad from both the kevana and educational standpoints. We're dealing with people who are learning to be frum. (And may not even be obligated in these rabbinic rulings to begin with, so the point could be moot.) If we made them wait until Kedusha was over (assuming they can tell when that is), we're making their already-long davening significantly longer, reducing their ability to learn the other parts of the service, as well as how a normal amidah should be. And perhaps I subconsciously was thinking the same as Rav Soleveitchik that it's more important to have a naturally-flowing conversation with Hashem rather than impose obligations upon them that they can't properly fulfill at this stage. I would rather leave it out entirely than worry them they are committing an aveirah when it's something that can't obligate themselves to at this time and fulfill it properly. There is enough stress. (I also wonder how many observant Jews actually know this because I feel like many of the "slower" daveners don't stop during Kedusha, based on the occasional glance around. I find many people have never really studied the laws of tefila because it's so ever-present that they think they must have it right.)
Frumkeit is a process, and there are stages of learning. I wrote this as a very "elementary"-level piece. I think both of you are well beyond my target audience. I'm glad to have your expertise here, exceptionally glad! But remember to keep your audience in mind.
Jonathan P says
I appreciate the fact that Anna, Anon, and I probably went *WAY* deeper than the target audience. Like I said, I hadn't even intended to comment on that. It was just one of those "have itch, must scratch" type things when I saw the "you must". As my rabbi says, the correct answer to most halachic shailas begins with "It depends"!
IY"H, I'll get to type up my (IMO) very on-topic comment this evening. You know, the one I *really* wanted to spend 15-30 minutes on instead of my comment above. ๐
Kochava says
Originally posted: October 23, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I don't think it is good advice to wait until the repetition begins. If I did that, I wouldn't finish until after everyone had left. I'm still clocking 15-25 minutes, depending on which amidah it is. I think this would be similar for most people, and it is more important for them to stay with the congregation as much as possible in order to learn.
OrthodoxJew says
As someone who's been observant for many years, I think that this is a great instructional guide for davening. Have you considered writing a step-by-step guide version of this post?
sandy pond says
So you told us when and how but what about the why? Just what is the reason to take the 3 steps, and the knee bend and the bow..are we doing something to the physical body that opens us up or just a reverent thing?
Anonymous says
I have a problem:
Think of it this way:
When you asked your wife to marry you that time. This woman you fell in love with, and you start talking to her and it ends with the proposal. You were nervous all week.
What if she actually says "no"?
That which you say is heartfelt, about the times you've had and how she makes you feel, and it lasts maybe what would be 2-3 short paragraphs.
But you say it at the speed of light, as in davening, slurring it all together as fast as you can, monotone.
"…AndSoRachaelWillYouMarryMeTakeYourTimeOkayTimesUpGo"
She'd probably be disgusted, no?
Why in the universe do we address the One we supposedly love more than anything else like this???
"It's tradition" isn't a proper answer lol
Seriously, if prayer is what it's claimed to be, and is adressing the One it's claiming to address, might we consider saying it like we were addressing God, not some punk we wanna get it over with and be on our way?
Sorry if I go over the edge there….this keeps me away from shuls. I read another blog and there was so much anger at other congregants' being too loud or competing…i mean, to me, if i ever see glaring or that kind of behavior i'd leave in the middle and never go back.
are there any opinions on this?
ืืจืื says
๐๐ฝJust what I was thinking. Thank you for clarifying this point!